Subject: Definitions of feedback loops

Posted by George Richardson on 2/3/2006
In Reply To:Definitions of feedback loops Posted by Prof. Dr. Niall Palfreyman on 2/3/2006

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On Feb 3, 2006, at 10:24 AM, Prof. Dr. Niall Palfreyman wrote:

> As I see it we now have three abstract ideas we'd like to communicate:
> 1. Feedback loop
> 2. Transaction
> 3. Endogenous thinking

I'd say we don't.

We're the K-12 listserve. We're trying to be as concrete (not
abstract) as we can be). Let's leave the abstract stuff for the system dynamics listserve philosophical discussions.

I think we get across feedback loops to kids with pictures of things they understand.

"Transaction" is not even in my system dynamics vocabulary; I don't know why I'd want to impose it on kids.

Endogenous thinking seems to me something we do. I think we get that across by doing it, repeatedly, with coaching, like a tennis backhand.

Eventually, people may get abstract ideas about these things, but I would think that would come from trying to think endogenously and use feedback loops, with the great, gentle, courageous coaching our K-12 teachers have been demonstrating for years as they've been teaching kids to use feedback loops to think endogenously.

...George

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